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		<title>By: A.B. Dada</title>
		<link>http://aaronmonts.com/2006/11/21/where-does-the-authority-lay/comment-page-1/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>A.B. Dada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monts: I&#039;m glad that we can both have lively discussions from varying viewpoints.  There are times that I pray that NO ONE accepts my viewpoint as Truth, because that would rob the world of the discussions!

One thing that I find VERY important to me when I read the Word is usually the first sentence of whatever book I am reading...

1 Cor 2: &quot;I am writing to God&#039;s church in Corinth, to you who have been called by God to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ Jesus, just as he did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours.&quot;

Romans 7: &quot;I am writing to all of you in Rome who are loved by God and are called to be his own holy people.&quot;

These verses are very key verses -- they&#039;re explaining why the author is authoritative and to WHOM.  Sometimes it even explains the time frame of the authority in terms of what Jesus wanted for specific groups.

The Word is extremely difficult to discuss when you have parties with different eschatological views.  For me, 80% of the post-Ressurection New Testament is eschatological in direction -- so much of it deals with the end of the Age.  As a fulfilled-prophecy Christian, I am an &quot;outcast&quot; in terms of how to deal with those directions.  For dispensationalists (or futurists as some call that group), the &quot;waiting&quot; gives them reason to try to fit into those directions, whereas I look for direction ONLY from Christ.

The congregations I serve are ALL futurist congregations (in fact, I know of only 3 prophecy fulfilled congregations in all of Lake and Kenosha counties).  Much of what I work on comes from a &quot;waiting&quot; ideal, so it is very mind-opening to see the difficulties that the futurist congregations deal with in trying to select WHAT directions and authority to follow.  From my perspective, it is only Jesus.  But I understand what many futurist pastors have to deal with in deciding direction for their &quot;authority&quot; over their congregation.  I don&#039;t accept any authority from my pastors (and they know it and some of them appreciate it), nor do I accept authority from my government or my elders.  If they love me, I love them back.  If they hate me, I love them back.  That&#039;s all the relationship is founded on.  But if you still accept mortal authority, it changes things and makes it more difficult.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monts: I&#8217;m glad that we can both have lively discussions from varying viewpoints.  There are times that I pray that NO ONE accepts my viewpoint as Truth, because that would rob the world of the discussions!</p>
<p>One thing that I find VERY important to me when I read the Word is usually the first sentence of whatever book I am reading&#8230;</p>
<p>1 Cor 2: &#8220;I am writing to God&#8217;s church in Corinth, to you who have been called by God to be his own holy people. He made you holy by means of Christ Jesus, just as he did for all people everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours.&#8221;</p>
<p>Romans 7: &#8220;I am writing to all of you in Rome who are loved by God and are called to be his own holy people.&#8221;</p>
<p>These verses are very key verses &#8212; they&#8217;re explaining why the author is authoritative and to WHOM.  Sometimes it even explains the time frame of the authority in terms of what Jesus wanted for specific groups.</p>
<p>The Word is extremely difficult to discuss when you have parties with different eschatological views.  For me, 80% of the post-Ressurection New Testament is eschatological in direction &#8212; so much of it deals with the end of the Age.  As a fulfilled-prophecy Christian, I am an &#8220;outcast&#8221; in terms of how to deal with those directions.  For dispensationalists (or futurists as some call that group), the &#8220;waiting&#8221; gives them reason to try to fit into those directions, whereas I look for direction ONLY from Christ.</p>
<p>The congregations I serve are ALL futurist congregations (in fact, I know of only 3 prophecy fulfilled congregations in all of Lake and Kenosha counties).  Much of what I work on comes from a &#8220;waiting&#8221; ideal, so it is very mind-opening to see the difficulties that the futurist congregations deal with in trying to select WHAT directions and authority to follow.  From my perspective, it is only Jesus.  But I understand what many futurist pastors have to deal with in deciding direction for their &#8220;authority&#8221; over their congregation.  I don&#8217;t accept any authority from my pastors (and they know it and some of them appreciate it), nor do I accept authority from my government or my elders.  If they love me, I love them back.  If they hate me, I love them back.  That&#8217;s all the relationship is founded on.  But if you still accept mortal authority, it changes things and makes it more difficult.!</p>
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		<title>By: glenn</title>
		<link>http://aaronmonts.com/2006/11/21/where-does-the-authority-lay/comment-page-1/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about it.  Is the authority in the book about God interacting with man?  Is it in the community that tries to discern the message of the book?  Or is it in the One who inspired the book and birthed the community and the One who claimed to be God-in-the-flesh?

He also gave us the Spirit and the community to understand the book and especially, its implications.

Levels of authority.  I was taught that there were these levels.  But as I think about it objectively, it seems bizarre to elevate or to lower any revelation of God, though it seems heretical for on someone who has been taught the supremacy of scripture to say such a thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about it.  Is the authority in the book about God interacting with man?  Is it in the community that tries to discern the message of the book?  Or is it in the One who inspired the book and birthed the community and the One who claimed to be God-in-the-flesh?</p>
<p>He also gave us the Spirit and the community to understand the book and especially, its implications.</p>
<p>Levels of authority.  I was taught that there were these levels.  But as I think about it objectively, it seems bizarre to elevate or to lower any revelation of God, though it seems heretical for on someone who has been taught the supremacy of scripture to say such a thing.</p>
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		<title>By: monts</title>
		<link>http://aaronmonts.com/2006/11/21/where-does-the-authority-lay/comment-page-1/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>monts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dada, we may not agree on much... but i&#039;m beginning to find some commonality... it&#039;s just taken a while. ;)

i agree that the purpose of Scripture, and ultimately the Spirit that penned Scripture was/is to point us towards Jesus.  i think we forget that a lot of times... but it&#039;s interesting to think about Jesus holding that authority rather than Scripture or the community.  the question then becomes how does one regard scripture in this light?  if authority comes from a third party--away from both the text and community--the how does interpretation take place?

maybe i&#039;m not looking at this &quot;spiritually&quot; enough--and instead am focusing on a carnal interpretation/thought process....

so, then if all authority lay in Jesus&#039; hands--and the only way we can know about Jesus is through Scripture (because it ultimately points us to him), and the community is also charged with pointing people back to Jesus (Mt. 28), then how are we able if all we are doing is looking to things (community/scripture) that contain no authority?

is it possible there are levels of authority?  and if so, is that really true authority if it is lesser...  (i&#039;m not thinking heirarchical...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dada, we may not agree on much&#8230; but i&#8217;m beginning to find some commonality&#8230; it&#8217;s just taken a while. <img src='http://aaronmonts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>i agree that the purpose of Scripture, and ultimately the Spirit that penned Scripture was/is to point us towards Jesus.  i think we forget that a lot of times&#8230; but it&#8217;s interesting to think about Jesus holding that authority rather than Scripture or the community.  the question then becomes how does one regard scripture in this light?  if authority comes from a third party&#8211;away from both the text and community&#8211;the how does interpretation take place?</p>
<p>maybe i&#8217;m not looking at this &#8220;spiritually&#8221; enough&#8211;and instead am focusing on a carnal interpretation/thought process&#8230;.</p>
<p>so, then if all authority lay in Jesus&#8217; hands&#8211;and the only way we can know about Jesus is through Scripture (because it ultimately points us to him), and the community is also charged with pointing people back to Jesus (Mt. 28), then how are we able if all we are doing is looking to things (community/scripture) that contain no authority?</p>
<p>is it possible there are levels of authority?  and if so, is that really true authority if it is lesser&#8230;  (i&#8217;m not thinking heirarchical&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: A.B. Dada</title>
		<link>http://aaronmonts.com/2006/11/21/where-does-the-authority-lay/comment-page-1/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>A.B. Dada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it has NO meaning, I just think that it held meaning for so long that it became meaningful even though we live in a different Age of God.  God hasn&#039;t changed, but His Plan for us continues -- and that plan doesn&#039;t change, it just becomes fulfilled.  Even the dispensationalists believe in God&#039;s plan continuing, they just differ from my belief in when Jesus came/will come.

Everyone asks &quot;Why bother reading such a large volume of unnecessary texts?&quot;  The OT covers so much of what people used to do/had to do/refused to do -- it shows us that the answer is NEVER action in terms of appeasement of the Lord, it is strictly love and love alone that appeases the Lord.  The lack of love does the opposite.  Love for Jesus is the ultimate appeasement.  We forget that throughout the Bible, the one thing missing is true love -- until Jesus comes around.  God&#039;s love for Adam &amp; Eve was not as easily seen because of God&#039;s demand for obedience and God&#039;s demand for perfection.  Jesus made both obedience and perfection unimportant in the face of loving others at all cost.  He did it for us, we can do it for Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it has NO meaning, I just think that it held meaning for so long that it became meaningful even though we live in a different Age of God.  God hasn&#8217;t changed, but His Plan for us continues &#8212; and that plan doesn&#8217;t change, it just becomes fulfilled.  Even the dispensationalists believe in God&#8217;s plan continuing, they just differ from my belief in when Jesus came/will come.</p>
<p>Everyone asks &#8220;Why bother reading such a large volume of unnecessary texts?&#8221;  The OT covers so much of what people used to do/had to do/refused to do &#8212; it shows us that the answer is NEVER action in terms of appeasement of the Lord, it is strictly love and love alone that appeases the Lord.  The lack of love does the opposite.  Love for Jesus is the ultimate appeasement.  We forget that throughout the Bible, the one thing missing is true love &#8212; until Jesus comes around.  God&#8217;s love for Adam &amp; Eve was not as easily seen because of God&#8217;s demand for obedience and God&#8217;s demand for perfection.  Jesus made both obedience and perfection unimportant in the face of loving others at all cost.  He did it for us, we can do it for Him.</p>
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		<title>By: cobus</title>
		<link>http://aaronmonts.com/2006/11/21/where-does-the-authority-lay/comment-page-1/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>cobus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I&#039;m afraid we place more importance on the text than the history behind it. The only reason scripture is so important is because it talks about stuff that hapened to people in which God was involved. Be it the time when God lived as a human on earth, or the time he walked a road with the Israelites, or the time the early church tried to figure out what the implications was now that they became followers of Christ.

Scripture is important because it can somehow bring us into contact with these people, their experiences with God, and hopefully with God. And somewhere along the line people in the vast tradition of God believers thought that these books is the primary books in doing this.

If the Old Testament simply talk about WHY Jesus had to come, then what use do it have? Simply stating the problem? The for hundreds of years people were in relationship with God, and it had no meaning? I don&#039;t know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I&#8217;m afraid we place more importance on the text than the history behind it. The only reason scripture is so important is because it talks about stuff that hapened to people in which God was involved. Be it the time when God lived as a human on earth, or the time he walked a road with the Israelites, or the time the early church tried to figure out what the implications was now that they became followers of Christ.</p>
<p>Scripture is important because it can somehow bring us into contact with these people, their experiences with God, and hopefully with God. And somewhere along the line people in the vast tradition of God believers thought that these books is the primary books in doing this.</p>
<p>If the Old Testament simply talk about WHY Jesus had to come, then what use do it have? Simply stating the problem? The for hundreds of years people were in relationship with God, and it had no meaning? I don&#8217;t know&#8230;</p>
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